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hey guys how's it going

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i just wanted to say welcome uh let me

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just check my sentence because i've got

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a bit of a delay going on here bear with

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me i'm still a little bit new to this

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guys thank you for being here we are

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live um

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and yeah i just wanted to quickly start

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by saying thank you to everybody that

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has sent me so much support following on

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from my interview with lou elizondo i am

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blown away

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um i had a great time but let's move on

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we're here today with

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james ian doley from engaging the

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phenomenon so i'm not going to waste any

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more time i'm going to bring james in

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right now hello sir

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hey what's going on vinnie how you doing

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man i'm very well man a bit tired i've

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had a uh

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i've had a busy few days man it's uh

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yeah it's been a bit crazy

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yeah here man kids wrapping up at school

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and you know

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yeah how about two busy nights doing

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stuff in this

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uap world and then i've had kids in the

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day it's just

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crazy so yeah i get it man but hey it's

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all good so

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so just in case anybody watching this uh

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now or in the future doesn't know just

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give us a little a brief

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introduction and background to who you

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are what you do and

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things like that yeah sure um my name is

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james and i

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created the project or platform engaging

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the phenomenon

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i've been involved in the ufo subject

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for quite a while

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um but more more so uh

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partially because of the my work with

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ce5 because i had

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some uh contact experiences early on

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and i had already been doing ufo

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research and meditation so

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um i kind of was always open to the

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subject

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and kind of everything that goes with

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the ufo subject

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um and i actually

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created the first social networks for

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ce5 in 2009

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and at that point yeah um because there

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wasn't one right

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yeah back then uh there was no place you

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can really go online and and

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talk to e5 with people um

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except the sea seti forum which was uh

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it you know it sucked

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it was just outdated you know it was

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outdated and it wasn't very active

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the few people that were on there would

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you know

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not it was always like the same like

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three people participating

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yeah you know it's just you know how it

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and um so i created the first ce5 social

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network

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groups and um you know so we can talk

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with other

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uh c5 people or people involved in

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contact work from around the country in

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the united states and the world

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and that really took off and you know

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uh inform people and get people material

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so they can get started and start their

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own working groups and things like that

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and you know uh so that was a journey

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within itself

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um so ever since then i've i've been

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involved in

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both uh i guess the ufo community and

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and the ce5 community

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they uh i guess you could say the

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communities are somewhat

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from yeah and for me it's always been

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one thing

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so engaging the phenomenon is an

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inclusive approach which

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includes uh you know ufos and ufology

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nuts and bolts

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um but it also includes the the

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consciousness and the contact and high

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strangeness and

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um kind of everything that goes with

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that so you know that's how i ended up

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here today right with you nice man no

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that's great and i mean you put out some

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amazing content across

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your uh youtube channels so many

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different areas and stuff

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and let's just if it's okay we just talk

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about the ce5 a little bit more because

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you know i've seen the grier stuff the

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documentaries and that in the past

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um but i am a very nuts and bolts

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researcher

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and so i've i've purposely made it my

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mission these last few weeks to try and

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speak to people or just look into that

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area of the subject a bit more because

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it is talked about a lot more these days

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and i don't want to be left behind so

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where's a good place to start i mean

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other than the obvious with sort of

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griez documentaries where would someone

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go

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next okay well you know i want to first

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you know ce5 the terminology

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has become a taboo within a tabooed

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subject right oh yes

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because and it's the elephant in the

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room it's it's dr stephen grier his

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personality and his affinity to burn

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every bridge he touches

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you know for better or worse that's just

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his personality

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um and you know anybody that knows him

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closely will will tell you the same

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thing

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just if you look at his team uh

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most of them have are always new people

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because all the old ones

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left um you know and again he has done

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an incredible job

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kind of spreading the awareness yeah you

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have this

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dichotomy right because you have two

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sides of the spectrum where

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he has completely um

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like put ce5 on the map love it or hate

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uh like people know right uh where

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you know 20 30 years ago you know when

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he created this e5 terminology it was

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really known um there were people doing

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field work

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but um the most active group of people

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contact work um was mission rama in the

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1970s and that was in

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lima peru in south america and you know

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they were doing a lot of contact were

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there but the the um

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the ufo community and ufo just weren't

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doing that kind of same work

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especially to the extent they they were

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back in those days and wasn't there some

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quite famous photographs from those days

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as well back

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in the in lima peru yeah yeah they have

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i mean they have a lot of photographs

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uh controversial some of them have been

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debunked but

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they i mean they certainly have some

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good footage

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and um you know they they had local

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um come you know the idea was that

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the um the media was invited and they

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said listen on

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at this day at this time at this

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location there's gonna be a sighting

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because mission rama would do

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their version of contact and again which

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is um it's just a term all right you

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take a step back the larger picture

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is contact so you know

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ce5 is just a simplified uh updated

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rebranded term to kind of define a

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subsection of contact

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um but so you know again they would have

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what mission rama in the 1970s were

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called programmed sightings

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so you know somebody in in the group

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info person so like they would be the

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one receiving the information they were

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like the intuitive i guess you could say

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right okay uh and usually one group had

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one or two antennas they were like

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highly sensitive people to contact

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um and and that's just how rama ran some

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people don't like that because it's kind

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of hard you know like a hierarchy in a

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sense so

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i understand that um but you know

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they that the media would come or you

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know and and these people said

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you know the event is going to be at

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this time and sure enough you know there

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were sightings at like

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the day time and location so wow um

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so yeah so as you can see that is a bit

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different to what we've all heard of as

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far as c5 goes so you've got

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mission rama is it i keep saying the

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wrong name yeah is it mission yeah

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mission about them you've got the kind

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of greer c5

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are there others as well is it does it

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keep going across different

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groups yes as far as far back as you go

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into history there's some

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form of person or group of people you

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cults right yeah um yeah

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but they're they're doing some some kind

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of methodology some kind of ritual some

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kind of practice and they're having an

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interaction with non-human intelligence

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shamanism right right they go into

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different states

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they interact with other intelligences

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and they bring back

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information um you know uh and

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and some of the shamans they say you

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know they're they're they're um

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sky people or their sky family you know

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it's even pointing to like the et

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hypothesis in some ways

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yes um and again yeah you have john d

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who is doing the nokian magic and and uh

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seven for the crowd yeah

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that's where that came from yeah he was

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he was doing some kind of thing

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named nicholas rorick and he was

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actually a russian guy and he was doing

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these kind of meditation eastern

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practices and and

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and claiming to have interactions if you

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look at his paintings

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he i think one of the paintings has a

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ufo and you know

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he claimed that being contact so um

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you know really ce5 is

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is like the new branded kind of version

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of whatever we can

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point to um which is again

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in the bigger pictures just contact you

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know um

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dr alan heineck and and jack valet even

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you know dare not mention any grier's

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name in front of any of these people

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yeah yeah yes yes yes and we'll go into

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grier a little bit after this if you

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don't mind because it is kind of i think

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it does need covering a little bit

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so sure but yeah carry on as you were

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yeah no that's cool so but heinek

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you know specifically how to make a

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category for this kind of activity and

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he called it high strangeness

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ufos were not just

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sightings they they weren't random

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sightings there's some of them

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had the telepathy the psychic phenomenon

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there were incidents with remote viewing

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um there were

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an insane and i've experienced a lot of

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the stuff myself

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an insane level of synchronicities that

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just do

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not make any sense whatsoever other

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i mean it's just absurd and you know

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jacques vale has pointed to that the

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some of the absurdity of the things that

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that go on during contact is just you

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know it

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the intelligence somehow is is

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organizing in that way there's no other

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really good explanation for

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for things like that that's awesome man

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seriously yeah i mean it's funny how

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it's all interlinked and connected isn't

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it and that's what really gets me and

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that's why i felt i needed to learn a

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bit more

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just to uh to not be switched off to

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certain aspects of it

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but yeah and if you want yeah and i was

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going to i was going to say if you want

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to get into like a deep dive

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um because there's i mean there's so

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many directions you can go

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and for me um ce5 you know and again i

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almost i almost want to use a new term

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now just because it needs to be

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it needs a reset um unfortunately

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and i think there's a better way to do

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it

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um even though i think that greer's

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original message

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um i i think he had great he had a great

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vision

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and i think that you know things

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happened along the way and

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you know people get lost sometimes yeah

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um

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you know but again the original vision

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and and

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kind of idea behind ce5 i think was

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great but now it's you know it's i think

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it's time to

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to evolve to evolve it now definitely i

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agree

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and you know and again it would not not

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evolve under one person like me

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or whoever but as the whole community

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you know it has to be an

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organic growth where um you know

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something new comes out of all this

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yeah um so i'm hoping to see something

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like that

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um it's needed as well if it feels like

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we are just about

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to change again with this ua ptf report

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whether it comes whether it doesn't

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whatever happens beyond that is still

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gonna

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keep going up i think contact

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i will try not to call it ce5 as much it

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needs to evolve alongside this this

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freight train that we're riding at the

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moment so yeah completely agree man

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yeah in the same way that ufology needs

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to you know it's like you know people

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say the old guard the new guard

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you know it's kind of like yeah they but

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everything the whole thing needs to

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just be reborn yeah you know it's like a

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new day and age

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really and i don't mean that and like

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the age of aquarius kind of

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way even though some people talk about

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that but seriously you know

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it's the 21st century we need and you

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know things are changing so fast and we

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gotta we gotta adapt to those changes

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and uh and and kind of revise everything

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uh based on new information and uh oh

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but getting to the consciousness

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thing just if you want to take a deep

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dive into that i have a friend named exo

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academian

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and he runs an uh one of the coolest

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podcast

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on um ufos and consciousness called the

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point of convergence

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wow i would say definitely check out his

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stuff

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because he he goes into everything from

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consciousness psychic phenomenon near

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death experiences

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contact and kind of everything that and

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again it's

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he calls it the point of convergence

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because it's you know you have all these

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different things ufos and

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the psychic phenomenon near-death

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experiences and and they all kind of

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meet at this point right accents you

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know

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are still maybe a little um

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you know deterred by that terminology

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but i think most people kind of like

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especially in our generation

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uh like they get it you know absolutely

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it's there's

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a lot of curiosity there and to be just

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to say carry on on that point i actually

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do follow exo academia on twitter but

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i've not

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looked into his podcast yet so i

404
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definitely will go and check that out i

405
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appreciate the uh the recommendation so

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yeah so um let's jump on to greer

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because i just want to get it out

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because

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something that i've found is i've been a

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fan of greer for a long time going back

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and then over these last

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what three four years seeing everything

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that's going on and the word behind the

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scenes that he really kind of

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he's frowned upon a bit these days um i

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think you're probably in a better

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position to talk about

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what happened than i am so i'd love to

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hear your point of view man

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yeah and it's because i always every

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time i go live on instagram and stuff

422
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some of the first comments every time

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are gria gria talk about grier and i

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i've i've had a little bit of enough of

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trying to explain it so

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i'd rather somebody with a bit more

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knowledge gives it a go

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yeah i mean i honestly i i don't think

429
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people really want to know because if

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people knew

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everything i think they would be very

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upset

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and i'm saying that completely honestly

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and somebody who had

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tremendous respect for dr greer over the

436
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years there's just a lot that people

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that would probably change their minds i

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mean and i get it you know he

439
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you know he had had kind of spearheaded

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an

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know if there would have been a to the

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stars academy

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um without um the disclosure project

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you know and so much has

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happened back starting in the 90s

446
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that is you know we're just seeing the

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fruits of all that

448
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now you know in the past few years again

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this

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is a momentum building that became a

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waterfall that frickin just broke

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everything

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and uh it's because of those because you

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know um john podesta we see him in the

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in the media now

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you know he was yeah so he you know he

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got involved when the clintons did

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and lawrence rockefeller because of dr

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grier's work back then called you know

460
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project starlight which became

461
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the disclosure project sure um so

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i mean you know what do you do with this

463
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right it's like

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he's done some incredible work but even

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even back then like

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if you go look back at some of the old

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disclosure project witness

468
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testimony videos yeah like you can hear

469
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and listen sometimes you see her hair

470
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but leslie keane was involved with that

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and she won't she won't mention it she

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won't talk about it

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and i hope she's she's not upset that i

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say this

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um but you know she she did some of

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those interviews

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and uh james fox was involved a little

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back then and

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um and uh ed mitchell

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of course we know that he was involved

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and um

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he burned he burned them you know um

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i think like they were supposed to be

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and and you know don't quote me on this

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part

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but from what i understand like leslie

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keane and someone

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and and ed mitchell were supposed to be

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part of that 2001 event

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right and they and they kind of got put

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by the side and it was kind of

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placed as like all greer and i

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i think they got really upset with that

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and um you know if you look at leslie

495
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keane's book

496
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yeah which is is one of the best books

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on ufo's ever written

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um the ufos generals go on the record

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those are all disclosure project

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witnesses and she knew all of them

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she knew all of them from that time um i

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believe she was at the press club event

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and her um

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dr greer's top military advisor

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commander will miller

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one of leslie keane's sources

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for a lot of stuff wow so it's crazy

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yeah

509
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you know miller was in like legitimate

510
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programs not

511
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not so much ufo programs it was a

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high-ranking navy guy

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right um he was a naval commander and he

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he saw a lot of stuff and he knew how

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the system worked

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he helped get the wilson meeting um wow

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you know and that

518
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and that was a few years in the making i

519
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found a document

520
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that i actually released with um

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giuliana marinkovic

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where um there was a correspondence

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between um

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will miller and tom and tom wilson

525
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trying to get this interview

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or this this briefing with dr greer

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starting in 95 so that was you know two

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years in the making before they had it

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in 1997.

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sure um but i'm actually gonna have an

531
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interview

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um with a good friend of mine and his

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name is dr joseph burks

534
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and he was on the sea seti board of

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directors from 1992 to 1998.

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and he he saw he saw how

537
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you know he was there for the early days

538
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of ccd with dr grier

539
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and he saw a lot of things that were

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going wrong

541
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and you know he had to leave in 1998

542
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because he was so disgusted and hurt

543
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at um you know what he had experienced

544
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with

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and dr greer that he had to leave and

546
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you know this is another medical

547
00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:01,679
doctor he's an md he was another

548
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emergency room doctor

549
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and um you know in that in that

550
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interview we're going to talk about some

551
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of those early days and some of the

552
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:10,640
things that went wrong

553
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:12,960
wow and how things got off course

554
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:14,080
because it's important for the

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00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:15,679
historical record of you know of this

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year it is

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it is and that's kind of what i wanted

558
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:19,679
you to sorry sorry to interrupt this is

559
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why i needed to hear it really from you

560
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because i knew you were the man to ask

561
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and

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as much as people tell me not to waste

563
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my breath on grier and stuff like that

564
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i'm sorry but it is it needs to be laid

565
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:29,280
out there

566
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:32,160
you know once and for all for the record

567
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:32,559
so

568
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,160
again he again he's done tremendous work

569
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:40,559
and i i hate to see where it's come to

570
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,880
where you know he's now

571
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:44,880
name-calling people like louis lozano

572
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,160
he's never spoken to

573
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:48,720
luella zondo and he's you know he's

574
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:49,760
saying he's this

575
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:52,799
the dis master spy master disinformation

576
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:54,080
agent and all this kind of stuff it's

577
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:56,320
like you never spoke to the man

578
00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:00,000
you know um if if he was you know if he

579
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,840
came to grier and said hey listen dr

580
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:03,120
greer i want to help you i'm sure it'd

581
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:04,799
be a completely different story but you

582
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:05,120
know

583
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:08,400
that's not what happened and um

584
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:10,159
it's it you know it shouldn't be that

585
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:11,679
way so

586
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,559
um you know some of the heat he's

587
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:16,159
catching out he he kind of brought that

588
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:17,120
on himself and i

589
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,640
i don't you know he's supposed to be you

590
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:20,320
know he's talking about you know

591
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,799
universal peace one universe one people

592
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:24,559
yeah i don't see how that includes

593
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,000
trying to shame somebody that you've

594
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:27,919
never talked to and and

595
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,280
trying to paint them as this negative

596
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:30,960
picture it's like

597
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:32,240
why don't you try to speak to the guy

598
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,400
hear me out

599
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:37,120
rather than you know trying to publicly

600
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:38,880
humiliate the guy for several years

601
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,159
since 2 2017 and um

602
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:44,640
you know and and is a there's a double

603
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,480
standard in that as well

604
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,480
because if you look at the disclosure

605
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:49,919
project witnesses

606
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:52,640
90 of them are intelligence and military

607
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:53,520
officials

608
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,159
so how how come those guys are okay but

609
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,240
louis lozando is part of some secret

610
00:21:02,630 --> 00:20:59,919
plan to

611
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:02,640
you know hoax and alien threat attack

612
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:03,120
and i

613
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:05,520
i i get i understand okay yeah there's

614
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:08,320
the the threat part is brought up

615
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:11,360
um you know but for for one let's

616
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:15,280
you know how put offs um recent sse

617
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:17,200
talks have have uh been released on

618
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,400
mysterywire

619
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:20,480
and hal put off said yeah and you know

620
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:22,159
how put off is saying listen the number

621
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:23,840
one threat

622
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:27,520
um wasn't the the ufos and

623
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:29,840
you know themselves although they're of

624
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:31,280
course they cause a concern they can

625
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:32,480
come in and shut off nukes and the

626
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,440
president wants to

627
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,600
you know use something and he can't of

628
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,440
course that would be a concern right so

629
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,880
why wouldn't you why would you just look

630
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:40,240
the other way no matter what it was

631
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:41,840
right

632
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,320
yeah um but so but hal put off was

633
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:46,400
saying no the number one threat was that

634
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:46,799
like

635
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:49,120
china and russia and other adversaries

636
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,080
or you know

637
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:52,240
foreign countries are going to look at

638
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:53,600
this technology

639
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,880
and bypass um uh you know

640
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,720
american technology you know on the

641
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:00,000
united states

642
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,799
um so that for the the involvement of

643
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,480
the u.s with atip

644
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,720
um one of the main threats that they

645
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,240
were assessing was that like what would

646
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:10,960
happen if you know russia or china or

647
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:14,240
india or anybody else got a crash saw

648
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,720
you know

649
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,640
one of these objects and and was able to

650
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:18,240
leapfrog us in technology

651
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:21,600
yeah um so yeah so they said that was

652
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:21,840
the

653
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:25,520
threat aspect of it

654
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:29,120
um but again i you know i i understand

655
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:30,480
people are concerned about the threat

656
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:31,120
narrative

657
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:34,799
it is a genuine concern um but it's not

658
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,000
it's not one that's not up for debate

659
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:41,200
so you know we shouldn't tell people uh

660
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:45,200
you know like you should have nothing to

661
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:46,000
worry about

662
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,679
it's like you know people have a right

663
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:49,440
to look into the matter for themselves

664
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:49,679
and

665
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,520
what to think you know i i i think

666
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:59,200
and look here's the thing you know i'm

667
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:00,880
i'm an experiencer who's had

668
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:04,480
positive experiences so i understand

669
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:07,280
better than anybody you know my i i had

670
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,000
felt in my

671
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:09,679
experiences that you know the

672
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,480
intelligence was um

673
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,280
you know did not mean me harm in any way

674
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,360
it wasn't a threat to me at all

675
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:19,280
um but you know you're talking to the

676
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,559
entire public

677
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:22,159
this that's one of the first questions

678
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,600
they're going to ask so

679
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,440
you're you're not going to somehow avoid

680
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:27,200
that conversation by telling them what

681
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:28,320
to think

682
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:31,600
um so i mean we shouldn't

683
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:34,320
like cancel people's perspectives and

684
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:35,200
say

685
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,799
the whole threat thing is um is a hoax

686
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,640
because that's propaganda

687
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,799
yeah um and and that's divisive what you

688
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:43,919
need to do is say

689
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,120
okay i understand that

690
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:49,360
there's a concern and and this can be

691
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,799
seen as a threat but

692
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,279
let's have a dialogue about it and come

693
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,200
to a conclusion together

694
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,120
and here's what i think here's my

695
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:58,960
evidence

696
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:01,279
no that's a good way of doing it yeah

697
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,480
yeah not

698
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:05,039
not you know all these narratives where

699
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,320
you know i'm going to tell you what

700
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,039
what is going on and i know everything

701
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:11,039
and um

702
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,640
yeah it's a it's a tough topic because i

703
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:14,320
unders people get very emotionally

704
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,520
charged

705
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,200
and you know you have somebody like dr

706
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:19,120
greer who's kind of put his whole life

707
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:19,919
into this

708
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:22,159
you know um even if he made a lot of

709
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:23,200
money

710
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,559
um yes indeed he

711
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,080
i don't think anybody's made more money

712
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,240
in ufology than him no way not even

713
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:32,559
close in my opinion right right

714
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:36,000
um so um you know

715
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,520
it is what it is i guess when it comes

716
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,200
to that and um

717
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,720
yeah i mean the thing is with the threat

718
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,640
narrative as well is that one thing i

719
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:44,799
see all too often is someone who

720
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:47,200
sees a media report or article and it

721
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,000
says

722
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:50,480
talks about a national security threat

723
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,720
then they comment or message saying

724
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,400
if they wanted us dead they'd have blown

725
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:56,480
us up years ago like they're jumping to

726
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,679
that conclusion that

727
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,600
national security threat is a roundabout

728
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:01,120
way of saying there's going to be an

729
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,400
invasion or

730
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,960
things like that they go sort of from

731
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,480
the start to the end without going

732
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:08,080
through the middle to really rationalize

733
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,679
it and think about it which

734
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,360
it's understandable it's human nature

735
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:13,600
but people need to slow down just a

736
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:14,640
little bit and yeah

737
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,480
it's a difficult one yeah yeah and again

738
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,320
people get emotionally charged and you

739
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,080
know everybody's excited because this

740
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:23,919
information is coming out but sometimes

741
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:26,640
excitement can turn into paranoia

742
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,120
fear and you know anxiety and and all

743
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,720
these things and i i completely

744
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:32,159
understand that there's you know nobody

745
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:33,679
more excited than people like us

746
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:36,400
you know following the subject and it's

747
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,440
exciting but you got to get your

748
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:39,200
bearings together and kind of look look

749
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,320
at everything

750
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:42,720
and say you know okay well you know it's

751
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:45,279
a it's not being pushed as a threat like

752
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,640
imminent threat nobody's you know

753
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:50,320
there might be like one or two articles

754
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:51,679
over there that say something really

755
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,080
dumb

756
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,760
like you know the headlines like oh

757
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,120
they're here to eat us or some

758
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,360
you know and that's even meant that's

759
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:59,120
it's meant to be hyperbolic they're

760
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:00,640
trying to get clicks and

761
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,279
yeah they're they're doing their job as

762
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:05,679
a media person being sensational

763
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,720
um so yeah i get that but there's no

764
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,400
of course that's going to happen you

765
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,159
know um

766
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:14,159
so these are things that we have to just

767
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:15,520
deal with as they come and

768
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,640
and uh you know get rid of some of the

769
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,720
extremes

770
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:23,360
yeah no definitely let's move on and

771
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:24,640
talk about obviously

772
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,080
this week tomorrow the report's due

773
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:30,640
um well probably not to the public but

774
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:31,600
apparently it's going to be

775
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,919
um given to congress on time what are

776
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,440
your few views on that

777
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,960
do you think we'll get anything do you

778
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:38,640
think it would just

779
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:42,000
be a big nothing or no i mean i think

780
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:43,600
somewhat they've already confirmed that

781
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:44,400
the

782
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,080
not our technology

783
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,400
i mean at least the us i'm sorry because

784
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:52,960
i'm the united states so i when i say

785
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,240
you know um so i think the report is

786
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,080
going to confirm like this is not a

787
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,080
u.s black program that's interfering

788
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:01,600
with our own um

789
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:05,520
military i so i think that

790
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,080
you know they'll probably still leave

791
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:10,080
that door open like oh maybe it's china

792
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,120
or russia but i

793
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:14,159
i would have to imagine that some of the

794
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,360
conclusions are gonna

795
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:17,120
they would if they're being honest they

796
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,480
should um

797
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,520
reaches that like china and russia are

798
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,840
not going to be able to perform some of

799
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:24,960
those capabilities

800
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,520
you know and in such in such mass right

801
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,120
so consistently

802
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,440
um the resources that it would take to

803
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,760
to do all that would just

804
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,679
you know it wouldn't make sense yeah i

805
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,200
thought it told you that's how i see it

806
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,320
yeah you know um and the fact that none

807
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,600
of these objects have been

808
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,440
as far as we know have been captured i

809
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:44,960
mean come on we wouldn't have gotten one

810
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,360
of them

811
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:46,880
you know if it was china russia like

812
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:52,710
yeah so again i i think it's a step

813
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,360
forward

814
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,679
i think we are going to get some goodies

815
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,679
um not goodies in the sense where it's

816
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,279
like they're gonna

817
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:01,279
um they're gonna confirm something crazy

818
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:02,480
but there's going to be some

819
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:05,360
some um new information that i mean we

820
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:07,039
already got the the new director is

821
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,080
finally uh

822
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,240
public i know it seemed all a bit

823
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:12,240
convenient the day before i was very

824
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:13,679
happy when i woke up this morning and

825
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,840
saw that

826
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:17,200
yeah his name had come out so yeah it's

827
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,760
good

828
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,600
i mean i wonder if now if he'll be able

829
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:21,360
to talk now that he's public at all and

830
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,320
i i mean i think

831
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,679
maybe they did that because they figure

832
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,440
okay um

833
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,600
they they decided because i'm sure

834
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:29,279
people saw the report early

835
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,559
that um they're gonna um say okay this

836
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:34,320
is we're gonna make the uaptf

837
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:37,760
a permanent kind of structure and uh

838
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:38,080
this

839
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,360
and so

840
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:44,159
once in a while to the media um i i

841
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,360
think that would be awesome i don't know

842
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:46,799
if that's gonna happen

843
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,960
um but if the uh uap task force has some

844
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:51,760
kind of

845
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,640
spokesperson or somebody that can give

846
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,480
comments to the media to publish that

847
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,320
would be really awesome

848
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,880
um but yeah i think i think so we're

849
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:01,679
going to get

850
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:04,399
the the report it's going to kind of say

851
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:04,799
okay

852
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,440
this is not u.s tech requires further

853
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:09,120
investigation

854
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,399
and hopefully they get that permanent

855
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,360
uh you know body that is able to

856
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:16,960
continuously

857
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,840
uh investigate uap and you know i think

858
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,279
it's gonna make

859
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,799
there's gonna be a lot of uh media

860
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:24,720
attention around the report

861
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,600
um probably probably again both more of

862
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,279
what we've been seeing

863
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,919
with some some making some really great

864
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:34,159
uh articles and insights and and asking

865
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,520
some great questions and others just

866
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,120
being dismissive and

867
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:39,600
you know kind of like old old hat stuff

868
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,320
but

869
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,960
um overall i think it's gonna be a good

870
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,919
thing

871
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:46,080
and uh yeah i think we're gonna get i

872
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:47,120
think we're gonna

873
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,799
you know we're gonna get a little more

874
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:50,159
and it's gonna be part of a process

875
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,200
going forward

876
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,279
no i totally agree and i think again the

877
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,440
same this if the task force can be made

878
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,880
a permanent fixture

879
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,760
going forward you know that adds i mean

880
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:01,520
they get more funding they will be able

881
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,399
to

882
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:04,480
have more staff involved because i heard

883
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:05,520
that that's one of the problems they've

884
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,480
had in the last

885
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,720
180 days they just literally didn't have

886
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,640
the number of bodies to go to

887
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:12,480
all of the agencies in such a short

888
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,760
amount of time with

889
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,440
covid as well and people working from

890
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:17,520
home and having to do so much

891
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,720
remote work as a task force must be

892
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,559
next to impossible so they need to be

893
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,559
per a permanent fixture i i agree

894
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:25,760
completely

895
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,880
so um but what about um what about leaks

896
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,399
we've been seeing little bits and pieces

897
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,919
over the past few months with jeremy

898
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,360
corbell and that and obviously he's

899
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:34,880
hinted at more things coming do you

900
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,360
think that that

901
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,679
will ramp up as well uh the more that

902
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,880
the government

903
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:41,279
doesn't talk or release anything what

904
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,720
would you think

905
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,279
i i think probably yes i mean i think

906
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,960
it's going to continue

907
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:49,039
um you know but i also did want to

908
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,080
mention about the the

909
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:52,080
the task force thing you know lou

910
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,080
lazando was also saying like

911
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,000
you know that if you want to get a

912
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:57,919
special you know a clearance just to get

913
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,240
some

914
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,120
information from whatever agency you

915
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,960
know even that process could take six

916
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:04,320
months just to get the clearance and

917
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,039
then you have to

918
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:07,679
receive the information organize it

919
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:08,559
analyze it

920
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:12,480
see what's worthwhile um so

921
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,039
yeah you need that permanent body and i

922
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:16,960
know people will be concerned with that

923
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,440
too

924
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,919
saying oh well now there's this task

925
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,279
force and they're going to kind of hoard

926
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:22,960
all the information

927
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:25,919
and they're not going to give us um the

928
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,279
full transparency of

929
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,880
of what they think we should be getting

930
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:30,399
now that this is open

931
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:34,000
and yeah i see this um as like a

932
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:37,760
uh an ongoing kind of back and forth but

933
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:38,320
i mean

934
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,919
now that journalists are like really

935
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:43,679
uh getting involved and doing what they

936
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,840
should have been doing from the

937
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,519
beginning

938
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,080
yeah i think that's going to cause a

939
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:51,760
huge change man because people are

940
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,320
asking questions i mean i love to see

941
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:56,960
you know eric weinstein just like going

942
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:57,519
nuts

943
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:00,960
on twitter like where is the information

944
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,440
why is you know why is the government

945
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,360
withholding this kind of information and

946
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,120
and basically

947
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:09,919
you know holding the the narrative for

948
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,559
hostage

949
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:12,720
you know give the information to

950
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:13,679
scientists

951
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,000
that's who should be looking at it yeah

952
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:17,679
you know and of course yeah there's the

953
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:18,640
national security

954
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,200
concern but it's like okay get some top

955
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,840
scientists from academia

956
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,919
and um you know if you have to give them

957
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:27,120
a clearance give them a clearance let

958
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:28,240
them look at the information

959
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,320
and they can even if they can't give

960
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:32,159
details they can report back in a sense

961
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,159
to the rest of academia and say

962
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,480
you know the information is like truly

963
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:38,480
inconclusive or you know unidentified or

964
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:39,440
whatever it is

965
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:42,720
yeah um so you know those kind of things

966
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,200
are are what's needed for like

967
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,960
tremendous progress and i think i think

968
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:48,640
we're going to eventually get that

969
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,200
um but yeah you need scientists on board

970
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,799
and things like that so

971
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,880
i i hope to see more developments like

972
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:56,000
that from

973
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:57,440
you know we have a permanent body for

974
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,120
the task force

975
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,240
probably continued leaks um

976
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:04,320
people analyzing that information and i

977
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,519
was actually impressed with

978
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,679
um you know what mick west said the

979
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,640
other day

980
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,960
on unidentified celebrity review he said

981
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,320
you know i can't really

982
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:15,200
say what um what fragrant and dietrich

983
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,640
saw out there

984
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,240
so you know that's that that was an

985
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:20,320
interesting um you know

986
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,480
turn of events that at least he kind of

987
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,640
humbled himself a little bit absolutely

988
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,960
yeah that was a good one so you know

989
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:28,080
imagine if you know

990
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,440
if if uh like neil degrassi tyson

991
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:33,120
finally came around that you know that

992
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:34,559
that would i think that would that's you

993
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,880
know

994
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,440
we're like way ahead of the game when

995
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:38,720
that something like that happens

996
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,159
yes i hope so

997
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,919
because he's a smart guy but for some

998
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,760
reason he gets like really touchy when

999
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:47,600
you get to the subject

1000
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,120
yeah it puts a lot of people off when

1001
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:51,039
scientists who are clearly intelligent

1002
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,480
they're likeable

1003
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,480
you see them all the time and then all

1004
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:56,480
of a sudden they just talk about ufos

1005
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:57,440
like with

1006
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,720
just in a negative way or they just

1007
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:02,080
i don't know it puts people off it

1008
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:03,440
certainly put me off so i hope he

1009
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:04,480
redeems himself

1010
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,919
in the near future so yeah so do i you

1011
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,000
know and you know carl sagan that was uh

1012
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:12,320
similar carl sagan was i mean he was he

1013
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,040
wrote the book

1014
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:16,320
contact which became the movie um

1015
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,079
and it was so strange to me that he uh

1016
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:22,079
he used some of those themes in that

1017
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,359
movie and it was like

1018
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,359
you know like the the intelligence was

1019
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:27,520
like creating this reality where

1020
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,200
um the the main character can interact

1021
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,599
with um with them and i don't know i

1022
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,679
found that so insightful so

1023
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,359
i don't know how somebody so insightful

1024
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:39,040
could just you know

1025
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,079
toss it off so easily yeah crazy

1026
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,839
definitely i mean we had the same over

1027
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,520
here in the uk brian cox

1028
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,760
for years would not touch the subject

1029
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:50,000
and almost made a joke of it when it was

1030
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,679
brought up in in

1031
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,440
interviews and stuff and you know he's

1032
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:55,119
turned around this year come around

1033
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:56,800
talking about the possibilities of that

1034
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:57,520
and

1035
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,560
scientists too

1036
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:02,079
but then we've also you're talking about

1037
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:04,000
scientists working

1038
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,839
within the task force or with the task

1039
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,240
force we have had that with

1040
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,359
atip for example with dr eric davis hal

1041
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,520
puff i mean

1042
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,359
it's only really i've been looking into

1043
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,200
eric davis quite a bit recently and

1044
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:19,839
i didn't realize how much there is you

1045
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,560
can find

1046
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,880
when you dig um and it's quite hard to

1047
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,200
take on board i found because of all the

1048
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:27,680
the science stuff which is quite heavy

1049
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,839
so i know you're quite familiar with dr

1050
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,359
eric davis so

1051
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,880
can you just talk about him a little bit

1052
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:35,040
in any way that you think you know

1053
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:37,119
people would like to hear eric yeah eric

1054
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:38,160
davis is the man

1055
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:41,520
the guy is a legend um

1056
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:44,960
and i mean you people are people have no

1057
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,760
idea that

1058
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,079
i i don't even even people researching

1059
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,640
eric davis i don't think they understand

1060
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,320
you know things that he's been tasked

1061
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:54,400
with so

1062
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:57,680
the guy is um you know

1063
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,800
he he knows a lot and he's he said some

1064
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,280
you know some crazy things he you know

1065
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:05,119
he had that um that quote in the new

1066
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,800
york times obviously everybody knows

1067
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,480
about where he you know he said that the

1068
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:09,920
government is in possession of

1069
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,440
world vehicles yeah um i mean

1070
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,760
and then and then christopher mellon in

1071
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:17,280
in an interview like

1072
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:20,000
a few days after i forget which um

1073
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,359
newscast it was on

1074
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:23,760
the guy's asking him asking christopher

1075
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,560
mellon about

1076
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,160
this comment he says yes i know eric

1077
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:29,280
davis i was on the hill that day when he

1078
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,560
you know gave that briefing in and uh

1079
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,400
you know he told he was basically saying

1080
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,400
he told the people where to find

1081
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:38,079
you know how would you go about finding

1082
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,359
these programs wow um

1083
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,599
and again you gotta go listen to his old

1084
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:45,040
interviews i mean he's

1085
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,960
he tells the whole process of how you

1086
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,800
get read into programs and how it

1087
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:49,760
happens and

1088
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,960
i'm like holy crap and people i mean i

1089
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:54,320
you know they hear about it and it's

1090
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:55,680
cool and they forget about it

1091
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,800
and uh but he's uh yeah

1092
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,880
eric davis is a major player all these

1093
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:02,079
guys hal put off

1094
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,760
uh dr k green um

1095
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:08,400
they've uh you know they're still

1096
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:08,960
they're still

1097
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,520
doing whatever they do and uh you know

1098
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:13,599
to whatever extent they do

1099
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:18,640
um i think that um

1100
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,680
yeah they are um they've done a lot of

1101
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:22,880
important work

1102
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,520
yeah definitely and i think like we're

1103
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,040
carrying on with the science thing

1104
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,680
i think people like rich hoffman robert

1105
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,079
powell all the people at the scu

1106
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:34,240
um i think that's only going to keep

1107
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:35,440
growing and growing we're going to hear

1108
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,000
about them

1109
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,720
more see more research papers and things

1110
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,640
come out of there so i'm excited on that

1111
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:43,119
respect but we do need more people

1112
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,640
scientists even within

1113
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:47,040
colleges and universities to even be

1114
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,480
given some

1115
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,560
some access to something to work on

1116
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,839
because then they can

1117
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,839
involve the younger generations as well

1118
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:55,280
and just almost pass the battle

1119
00:38:02,630 --> 00:37:59,359
smoothly into the future i don't know

1120
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,640
yeah i mean and the the people that are

1121
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:05,280
um you know i guess you can say in the

1122
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,920
know

1123
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:07,839
even in academia take it extremely

1124
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:10,320
seriously you know look at uh dr gary

1125
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:10,960
nolan

1126
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,560
you know the guy is uh you know he's

1127
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:16,079
studying his materials

1128
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,680
he had created his device um he did an

1129
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,920
experience or study with dr kick green i

1130
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:23,200
wrote an article on that

1131
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,359
um i believe it was in 2019 uh you know

1132
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:30,079
he so there's there's some people that

1133
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,880
uh

1134
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,560
you know it's just a few people now but

1135
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:34,560
yeah i when when you

1136
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,359
get like the entire academia on board

1137
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,720
it's gonna be a different story and i

1138
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:40,560
think

1139
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:44,480
now that a lot of the taboo is um

1140
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:47,839
you know been lifted that more

1141
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,880
academics are curious and i think

1142
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,560
even more of them are being approached

1143
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,800
as well so i i think that we're going to

1144
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:56,320
see different

1145
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,680
um initiatives to to

1146
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,000
to get academics involved so i hope

1147
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,839
that's something that we hear about soon

1148
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,280
hopefully yeah i mean obviously with the

1149
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,960
emergence of isa the

1150
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,240
international coalition for

1151
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:10,079
extraterrestrial research

1152
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,599
i'm really intrigued to see what they're

1153
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,960
going to be doing in the future you know

1154
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,160
with so many countries

1155
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,560
involved you know talking about what

1156
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:17,839
they're going to do you know pushing it

1157
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,640
in

1158
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,320
try get it towards the united nations

1159
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,160
and things like that i mean

1160
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:24,720
it'll be good man but it's going to want

1161
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,359
to see

1162
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,079
you know yeah they um yeah and the

1163
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,520
united nation things

1164
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,079
i you know i don't know how i feel about

1165
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,320
that as far as like how confident i am

1166
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,960
yeah um i'll i'd love to see it i hope

1167
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,480
it gets brought up again because we you

1168
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:39,839
know we know that they did that thing

1169
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,240
back

1170
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,240
uh you know with lee spiegel and jacques

1171
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,760
valet and

1172
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:45,599
um you know they were at the united

1173
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,800
nations talking about this

1174
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,640
and i guess it probably didn't go

1175
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:49,839
anywhere

1176
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,640
um but even even you know again you know

1177
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,240
for whatever it's worth dr greer was

1178
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:56,560
talking to people in the u.n

1179
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,000
and in the 90s and i think

1180
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:02,560
they somebody kind of like said dropped

1181
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:03,359
the issue

1182
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,440
to the people in the u.n and they did um

1183
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,079
but congressional hearings is is

1184
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,000
something that i want to see in the u.s

1185
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:14,560
absolutely because i i think at this

1186
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,680
point in time

1187
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,520
and you know elizondo said listen if

1188
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,599
they call me to testify out and and you

1189
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,720
know they allow me just

1190
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:23,280
to basically say what i need to be said

1191
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,079
you know regardless

1192
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,240
of security clearances if they allow him

1193
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,480
you know even in a classified

1194
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:29,839
portion of the hearing or whatever where

1195
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:32,240
he can speak openly

1196
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:40,710
yeah yeah i i think that

1197
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,319
we we are going to get the hearings i

1198
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,640
don't know when i know steve bassett

1199
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,839
recently on a talk said we're going to

1200
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,680
get them in july or something

1201
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,280
he's always like anything that's the

1202
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:51,440
best says like ends up happening 10

1203
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:54,640
years later then he's exactly yeah

1204
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:57,599
so if he says july i'm going to say july

1205
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:59,200
23rd we're going to have the hearings

1206
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,040
yeah exactly i like his confidence but

1207
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:03,280
he does i love it i love it man he's

1208
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,599
super and i think some of that you know

1209
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:08,000
it you know is good mojo and stuff so

1210
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:12,079
um but uh you know i you know tom delong

1211
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:15,280
he was he was talking about the hearings

1212
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,839
as well

1213
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,520
and i you know i know tom says some

1214
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,200
silly stuff but that was not one of the

1215
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,040
silly things that he was saying

1216
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,680
i think they are um you know even some

1217
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,800
of the people that

1218
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:26,960
um people on the senate intelligence

1219
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,920
committee

1220
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,599
there were a few comments already about

1221
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,680
hearings so it's that's already

1222
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:33,760
it's that idea is on the table already

1223
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:34,720
yeah you know and

1224
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:37,599
i think that people are um you know like

1225
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:38,400
rubio

1226
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,359
and and some of the other guys warner

1227
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:43,839
are probably proposing that happen maybe

1228
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,520
in the next few years which i mean like

1229
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:47,359
if we got two or three

1230
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,760
uh years and then there's like you know

1231
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:51,359
congressional hearings on the subject

1232
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,240
that would

1233
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:54,319
be tremendous and i think again i think

1234
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,599
at that point you know

1235
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,440
uap task force is up and running

1236
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,960
collecting data

1237
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,040
um which you know graves is saying that

1238
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,520
there's almost daily encounters

1239
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:05,119
you know even if there is one encounter

1240
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,640
a week that's like what

1241
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,880
yeah that's right exactly yeah so you

1242
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:10,400
have one encounter

1243
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:13,760
yeah a week of of a genuine uap

1244
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:16,240
and you know even if half of them were

1245
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,119
you know

1246
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,160
know so

1247
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,880
um things are coming to a head man it's

1248
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:23,760
really

1249
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,599
and you know since 2017 it's only

1250
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:29,520
got more momentum and things have only

1251
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,040
been moving faster

1252
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,760
yeah definitely man it's exciting yeah

1253
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,920
in 2017 we're getting like an article

1254
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,280
like every few months and we're like

1255
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,000
yeah this is awesome and then like

1256
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:41,920
i don't i don't know what at what point

1257
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,599
it was like we started getting it weekly

1258
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,119
and daily and it's now it's like

1259
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,839
it's like almost every day in some form

1260
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,880
or another

1261
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:51,280
they're you know they're enter yeah

1262
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:52,640
they're entertaining the idea of the

1263
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:55,680
ufos and extraterrestrial life and

1264
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:58,480
alien intelligence and and you know so

1265
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,520
we're in a different

1266
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,680
um you know i almost think that people

1267
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:03,359
don't realize like where we are right

1268
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:04,319
now you know

1269
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,839
people because you know a lot of people

1270
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:07,119
are like oh come on what are they going

1271
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:08,640
to do disclosure it's like dude look

1272
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,680
around

1273
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,520
look at what is going on and just like

1274
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:13,280
take it in man enjoy it because this is

1275
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,319
incredible

1276
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,079
yeah i agree but some people just want

1277
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:18,560
to see that clear video that clear

1278
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,160
4k photograph and that for that

1279
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:23,680
you know i mean we all want to see it

1280
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,000
but yeah he said just let's take a step

1281
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,560
back and if you put the picture together

1282
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,920
in your head you can see that

1283
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:32,160
something big is is happening and the

1284
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,960
movement

1285
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,760
it's incredible um yeah it's been

1286
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,319
happening what 70 80 years i think

1287
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:40,000
we shouldn't expect everything at once

1288
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:41,359
now just because we've had a little

1289
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,560
taste of something

1290
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,920
you know just got to ride it out a

1291
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,160
little bit longer i think

1292
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,160
yeah i think we've seen more in in the

1293
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,400
last even like the last

1294
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:52,560
year you know and especially the last

1295
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,000
four years since 2017

1296
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:57,040
but even even in the last year i mean

1297
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:58,640
you know the 60 minutes

1298
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,920
piece was tremendous it's just

1299
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:04,400
you know that's their feedback on that

1300
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,359
was so good

1301
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,359
their their ratings and views and stuff

1302
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:09,280
was like insane

1303
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:12,400
so they have the incentive to do it now

1304
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:15,200
danny sheehan allegedly said to i forget

1305
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,720
where he said it but grant cameron was

1306
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,319
talking about it

1307
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,720
said that there's possibly two more

1308
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:22,800
60-minute segments coming up with uap

1309
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,920
man yeah yeah i don't

1310
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,920
yeah i didn't i didn't hear danny say

1311
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:30,079
that myself but if if danny said it

1312
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,440
i would imagine it's something that's

1313
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:33,359
being talked about as you know that's

1314
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,240
gonna happen so

1315
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:36,319
yeah and i heard that lou is involved

1316
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,760
and maybe that's the connection why

1317
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:39,440
danny said it because obviously he's

1318
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:40,960
representing lou they may have talked

1319
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,599
about it with 60 minutes

1320
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,599
hard to say like he said we don't know

1321
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:47,920
for certain

1322
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:50,000
yes and if they have if they have lou

1323
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,200
and um

1324
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:53,040
and chris christopher melanie again on

1325
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,560
60 minutes and hey maybe they'll include

1326
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,480
the new uaptf guy or you know not the

1327
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:57,839
new guy but the the guy who's the

1328
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,640
director

1329
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:00,800
sure that'd be awesome you know who

1330
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:01,920
actually he was in

1331
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,200
a tip the whole time that guy he was um

1332
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:08,160
he was there investigating like the

1333
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:09,839
during the tic tac incident when you

1334
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,400
know

1335
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:13,200
they atep looked at tic tac years after

1336
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,240
it was done but

1337
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,640
true um that guy was on the case he was

1338
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,319
on the case back then

1339
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,119
um i did not know that oh that's

1340
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,040
interesting i didn't know that

1341
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,960
not many people do but he yeah he was

1342
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,160
involved back then

1343
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,520
wow um and all the people like

1344
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,079
hal and all those people know him they

1345
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,920
you know they knew who he was

1346
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:35,920
obviously they can't say anything but um

1347
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,480
so the guy is well informed

1348
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:40,079
you know he's not he's not a rookie at

1349
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:41,760
this and you know somebody

1350
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,720
keith basterfield did a article uh

1351
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,160
covering some of his background i'm like

1352
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:48,720
holy crap dude this guy is like

1353
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,839
top-notch man nice you know look at his

1354
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,520
resume and his linkedin i'm like oh my

1355
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,280
god

1356
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,760
yeah that's cool man that makes me also

1357
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:59,119
question that people have said that the

1358
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,000
ua ptf

1359
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:02,480
is not an extension of a follow-on from

1360
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,280
atip

1361
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,880
but then you get people like dr eric

1362
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,200
davis talking about the um

1363
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,520
the current program which he wouldn't

1364
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,680
name is still running so it sounds like

1365
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:13,839
we've got the ua ptf and this new

1366
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:22,150
atip became uaptf in 2018.

1367
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,079
um so uh

1368
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,280
it you know

1369
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,359
lou elizondo said too i said i said if

1370
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,640
there was a permanent task force would

1371
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:34,160
that be a continuation of atip and he

1372
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,440
said yes

1373
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:38,560
um but the the ua ptf has was it is

1374
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:41,359
it is a tip it's just not getting any

1375
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,000
funding like

1376
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,200
atip did though well so atip atip's

1377
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:47,920
funding ended when awesapp was killed

1378
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,240
but

1379
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:51,440
they continued the program anyways so

1380
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,560
um you know the people

1381
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:57,280
like the collins elite uh were involved

1382
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:57,599
with

1383
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,640
shutting awsap down so they they killed

1384
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:02,160
that program

1385
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,599
and um but you know

1386
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:08,160
p the people that were able to function

1387
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:09,680
from their positions and still could

1388
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:13,359
participate in atip did and um elizondo

1389
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:13,920
did that

1390
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,400
until the day he left yeah i think the

1391
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,319
confusion comes from the pentagon's

1392
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:20,240
statement that a tip officially ended in

1393
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,760
2012.

1394
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,520
yeah so that's the one yeah that's when

1395
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:24,880
awesome ended

1396
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,920
and um again lou continued to lead the

1397
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,200
program

1398
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:31,440
i guess ad hoc if you want to say but he

1399
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:34,240
continued to to run it until 2017.

1400
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:37,839
yeah and and then his successor took

1401
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:38,559
over

1402
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,760
they basically crushed that guy

1403
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:44,160
you know they they did they did him

1404
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:45,200
dirty

1405
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:49,440
and uh they had he had to be replaced by

1406
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,440
um brennan so um

1407
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:55,680
and you know there's some there's stuff

1408
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,480
i don't

1409
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,880
know about that story but i i know you

1410
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,559
know i've heard enough about it that

1411
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:02,640
i kind of have an idea of what happened

1412
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,800
uh but a tip a tip continued and in 2018

1413
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,200
it actually became ua ptf and i i think

1414
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,280
that the brief had also reported on that

1415
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,800
they just didn't go into details on how

1416
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,920
it happened

1417
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,680
yeah i was i was confused because

1418
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,520
there's a gray area from

1419
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,359
when i was looking from when elizondo

1420
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,720
left to

1421
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,880
i think it was when the dod announced

1422
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,480
the ua ptf

1423
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,920
um there was a little exactly yeah a

1424
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,079
little japan yeah yeah

1425
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:30,079
but that's the funny thing it was

1426
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:31,440
already uaptf

1427
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,960
it was even called that so

1428
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:37,680
you know but i think i think it it it

1429
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,559
was like

1430
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,480
officially granted at that point you

1431
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,160
know and given um

1432
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:44,559
maybe moved into a different office yeah

1433
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:45,680
i'm not sure

1434
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,440
um but yeah it was already uaptf it was

1435
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:51,200
already the task force and again yeah

1436
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,559
lou said

1437
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,599
that um the task force especially if it

1438
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,040
receives funding and

1439
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:58,880
and can is it made a permanent program

1440
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:01,440
would be like an official replacement

1441
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:02,480
for

1442
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:06,160
um atip and that what atip was trying to

1443
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:07,359
do

1444
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,720
they were trying to get an outreach to

1445
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:16,160
public scientists and stuff like

1446
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,520
academics and they were trying to get

1447
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:20,079
other people involved right you know

1448
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:23,680
um but that never it never happened so

1449
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:26,079
i think that lou and others are trying

1450
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,880
to pick that up

1451
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,079
you know basically where the ball was

1452
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,880
dropped yeah that's good and obviously

1453
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,800
with my interview with lou i asked him

1454
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:34,400
about sky fought and

1455
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,200
following on from when you'd spoken to

1456
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,480
um

1457
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:41,200
sean k yeah that was it and i think they

1458
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:42,319
are really going to play an important

1459
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:43,760
part and bring bringing the government

1460
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:44,720
and

1461
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:47,200
people within the right information you

1462
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,800
know not relying on anyone in the

1463
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,319
government to go out and try and find it

1464
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,839
or the agencies

1465
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,520
but skyfall could really be that great

1466
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,200
connection between public and government

1467
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,440
without any kind of

1468
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,200
you know people turning their noses up

1469
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,880
and not trusting them and things i think

1470
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:02,960
it's a credible organization

1471
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:05,760
yeah i think skyford is is is gonna be

1472
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,319
awesome

1473
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:09,119
and um you know i don't know do you know

1474
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:09,760
um

1475
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:12,720
that it's redacted that show yeah but

1476
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:13,119
yeah

1477
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,760
i know he's part of that so he's

1478
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:20,400
he's part of skyfort sure um he does

1479
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,280
awesome work

1480
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:24,160
and then you have jesse and sean yeah

1481
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,200
and um

1482
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,280
they're gonna be working with uh or you

1483
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,960
know lou is advising them so

1484
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,880
i think that they're working really hard

1485
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:32,000
and i think that

1486
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,839
you know hopefully in another month or

1487
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,520
so or you know whenever they're

1488
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:37,280
they're ready we're gonna hear some

1489
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:38,559
interesting things for them and i think

1490
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:39,200
that

1491
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:42,800
see a lot of good stuff coming from sky

1492
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,359
4.

1493
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,319
definitely man definitely i mean i mean

1494
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:48,000
i saw on twitter again today i just

1495
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,440
wanted to mention this that lou

1496
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:52,240
sort of put out a couple of tweets um

1497
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,040
talking about

1498
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,200
people still questioning him questioning

1499
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:56,880
his motives because he's doing

1500
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,599
conferences here and there i mean did

1501
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:01,040
you see that

1502
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,920
yeah i saw it i saw it yeah what do you

1503
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,280
think about that

1504
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,359
i left a comment i said you know um

1505
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:09,280
embrace the color for personalities is

1506
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:10,400
part of the journey

1507
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:13,760
yeah because it is you can i mean he i

1508
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,960
mean he probably sees it more than

1509
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,240
anybody

1510
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:19,119
uh but you can't let that you can't let

1511
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,680
that stuff

1512
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:22,559
bother you because you know they they're

1513
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:22,960
not

1514
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,240
and all that stuff that's

1515
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,880
exactly you know and you're you're never

1516
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,839
going to get to the point where

1517
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,839
everybody's going to be like oh you know

1518
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,760
you know great job lou even though he

1519
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,359
has i think the majority of people

1520
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:37,599
support him like overwhelmingly

1521
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,119
i think lou has an incredible support

1522
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,960
people are interested in what he has has

1523
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:44,240
to say

1524
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,920
um people that you know prior

1525
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:50,160
um were kind of doubting him have come

1526
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:51,599
around

1527
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,880
um you know um

1528
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,960
john greenwald and jimmy church and

1529
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:58,800
people have kind of embraced them now

1530
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,599
and jeremy

1531
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:02,000
jimmy church has them on and i remember

1532
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:03,760
that that bothered me a little at first

1533
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,319
um

1534
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,319
jimmy church was saying these things

1535
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:07,680
about him and i was like that's you know

1536
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:08,480
that's not right

1537
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:11,200
i mean why not have him on and talk to

1538
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,079
him before you

1539
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,720
say all the stuff and then he eventually

1540
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,240
yeah and then he eventually got him on

1541
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:17,760
and like their buddies now so good

1542
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:21,839
you know um so you know i think that

1543
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,400
lou has an overwhelming amount of

1544
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,839
support and you know there's always

1545
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:27,359
going to be those

1546
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,720
few people who are paranoid or

1547
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,800
anxious or doubtful or need somewhere to

1548
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,520
place their blame and

1549
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:37,200
you know this there's nothing you can do

1550
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,559
about that you know no there's not

1551
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,839
unfortunately

1552
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,119
but there is there are turnarounds

1553
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:42,720
happening like the jimmy church and lou

1554
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,119
thing

1555
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:45,520
i think the infighting still remains

1556
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:47,760
it's all over this subject but i think

1557
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,079
if we start seeing more people you know

1558
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,680
the prominent characters start pulling

1559
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:53,280
together it might have a knock-on effect

1560
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:54,000
down

1561
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:58,160
arguments you see across social media

1562
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:59,119
pages and stuff

1563
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,240
yeah well and then again you know um

1564
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,400
maybe at first john greenwald was

1565
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:06,160
somewhat skeptical of lou

1566
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,520
yeah and you know he wrote a few

1567
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:09,359
articles and

1568
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:12,160
people got upset and i understand but

1569
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:12,880
look at this

1570
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,839
john greenwald came around and did a

1571
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,520
solid for everybody he found out that

1572
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:19,119
whole thing about the emails you know

1573
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:19,920
yes

1574
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:22,319
yeah and it's like yo that's a major so

1575
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:23,200
he ended up

1576
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,800
helping out lou in a way majorly so

1577
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,240
that's you know it just shows you when

1578
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,160
people work together what could be done

1579
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,319
yeah um i mean look at the you know the

1580
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,400
whole ig thing going on now

1581
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,760
and you know part of that has to do with

1582
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,760
the emails so

1583
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,440
again that's just the the power of

1584
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:41,200
people putting their their stuff side

1585
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,079
and working together

1586
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:44,160
and trying to understand each other so

1587
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,160
that's i mean that's hopeful

1588
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,240
big time i mean yeah it's a positive

1589
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,160
thing it really might

1590
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:52,079
be the kick up the ass that the pentagon

1591
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,599
need to say that you know

1592
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:55,359
if the ig gets involved they really

1593
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:56,640
seriously gotta

1594
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,119
sort themselves out for the future so

1595
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:01,040
we'll see i mean lou said himself that

1596
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:03,119
things are looking good and you know he

1597
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:04,960
was quite positive but i guess it's

1598
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:07,280
still a long process in his early days

1599
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:08,319
so

1600
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:10,160
you know and how much will we see as the

1601
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:11,440
public from these internal

1602
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,000
investigations or evaluations it's

1603
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:15,760
it's a little bit speculative right now

1604
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:17,440
but you know maybe

1605
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,240
yeah i mean i don't know what you know

1606
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,839
what they can talk about even

1607
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,400
even afterwards yeah but yeah i think

1608
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,920
lou will probably

1609
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,760
clarify for the public because he's

1610
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,359
really good at kind of

1611
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,520
um giving people an idea of of kind of

1612
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,440
what what the read is currently

1613
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:35,200
yeah you know so i'm sure he'll say

1614
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:36,480
something about it and and not for

1615
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:37,280
nothing

1616
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,960
and and you know all due respect in a

1617
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:40,319
good way i'm sure danny

1618
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,839
sheehan is going to blurt out more than

1619
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:43,680
he should yeah

1620
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:47,119
we'll get a little some more details

1621
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,280
through danny so anybody has a show

1622
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:51,359
invite danny on and ask him about it

1623
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,680
because

1624
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:52,880
he'll probably give out a little more

1625
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,359
information than he should

1626
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,599
that's a great point actually i might

1627
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,440
yeah and yeah danny is

1628
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:02,160
he's i mean he's a badass him him paired

1629
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:02,880
up with lou

1630
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,920
is like that's like incredible and and

1631
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,839
that's that's another

1632
00:55:10,910 --> 00:55:09,599
crazy thing i don't i don't don't want

1633
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,920
to um

1634
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,559
[Music]

1635
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,480
mess up your show or anything but hey

1636
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,880
bro this is about you man i got you on

1637
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:18,000
to talk so

1638
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,000
please carry on no i was gonna say

1639
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:22,160
that's another reason why you know dr

1640
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,200
greer is even

1641
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,760
even more pissed now is because danny

1642
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:27,280
sheehan was the disclosure project

1643
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,559
witness so danny

1644
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,720
sheehan has been with greer from at

1645
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:32,319
least the 90s

1646
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:36,000
and now you know having having dan

1647
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:36,640
sheehan

1648
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:40,160
come and help out lou you know

1649
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:43,440
steve dr greer was shocked

1650
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,319
you know to him that's like the ultimate

1651
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:48,559
betrayal for him so

1652
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,079
that only feeds into his paranoia yes

1653
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:55,599
and you know dr greer had accumulated

1654
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,480
serious paranoia and i'm like in a in a

1655
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,079
very serious way

1656
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:02,559
um and and maybe even rightfully so

1657
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,760
because when he was doing what he was

1658
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:05,520
doing in the 90s

1659
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:09,280
um you know that

1660
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,079
that um that probably did a number on

1661
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:14,000
him and you know he's super suspicious

1662
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,359
and paranoid because of that and he

1663
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:17,760
thinks everybody's working against them

1664
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:20,799
and um you know there's even an

1665
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:23,920
incident in 1997 where he had a

1666
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,440
call on somebody for protection and um

1667
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:29,200
you know he allegedly he was offered

1668
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,799
before

1669
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:33,119
like hey listen you need protection for

1670
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,319
what you're doing

1671
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:36,240
let me know and kind of greer passed it

1672
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:41,750
dr greer and two other of his team

1673
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:43,680
members all got metastatic cancer in the

1674
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,000
same

1675
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,640
month and it was like really weird and

1676
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:48,319
it kind of sounds like a weird kind of

1677
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:49,119
like

1678
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:52,480
they can they can induce cancer through

1679
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:53,760
radiation by putting

1680
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,839
something like in your car steering

1681
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,960
column or something where

1682
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,280
it gives off radiation you get i mean

1683
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:01,760
that that's conspiracy but

1684
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:04,960
possibility you know right so i mean he

1685
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:08,240
he he told the story in the way where

1686
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:11,680
um you know he suspected that it was a

1687
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:12,559
way

1688
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:15,440
to get them off this and two of the

1689
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:16,319
people ended up

1690
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:19,520
dying uh stephen greer survived the

1691
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:22,559
cancer and at that point he he got

1692
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:23,920
protection

1693
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,319
from ron pandolfi he reached out to ron

1694
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:28,079
who um

1695
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,319
uh who was the guy who offered you know

1696
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:31,839
ron one of the

1697
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,400
top scientists in the cia he took over

1698
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:36,960
the weird desk for dr kick green

1699
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,839
and there's if you go through the videos

1700
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,960
you know i have a whole collection of

1701
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:42,480
these videos or whatever

1702
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:45,680
um dr greer sometimes is

1703
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,480
is um quoting ron pandolf he's not

1704
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:49,839
saying he's quoting ron but

1705
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:52,319
it's he's saying all a top scientist i

1706
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,280
know at the cia

1707
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:55,280
anytime he says that he's talking to ron

1708
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,480
right um

1709
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:59,040
so and he's you know he read it he's

1710
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:00,720
reading off and and ron was one of the

1711
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,440
guys i guess that was given this

1712
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:05,760
uh information you know saying that hal

1713
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:06,960
and and and

1714
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,720
uh lou elizondo and these people are

1715
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:10,400
techno scammers and they're spin

1716
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,839
meisters and this

1717
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,599
because he's reading off this email and

1718
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,280
it's saying this and it's from the cia

1719
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:17,280
person aka ron

1720
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:20,079
and um so that's that's another

1721
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:21,280
interesting note

1722
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:24,319
um and you know again so you know how

1723
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,520
can

1724
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,200
lu be the spin meister if you're reading

1725
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,920
off email from one of these top cia guys

1726
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:31,359
but again he has a long-standing

1727
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,160
relationship with ron

1728
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,720
and in one of the citizens hearings

1729
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,000
videos

1730
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,960
um uh that's just been you know they're

1731
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,559
uploading the citizens hearing

1732
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:44,960
video every friday watching them avidly

1733
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:46,000
yeah

1734
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:47,920
so one one of the last ones that they

1735
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,280
uploaded

1736
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:51,520
the late um one of the one of the main

1737
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,880
counselor uh the lady i forget her name

1738
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:56,880
she says how are you still yeah she says

1739
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,680
how are you still alive

1740
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,680
and he's like she's like are you strong

1741
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:03,200
and he's like i'm strong

1742
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,880
he's like but i also you know i've had

1743
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:06,319
people help me and then he says

1744
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:08,079
i have you know i've got people and then

1745
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,599
he's like yeah and people have mentioned

1746
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,520
ron pandolfi so he basically says it

1747
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:12,960
right there

1748
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:15,440
was it francis barwood was it her that

1749
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,319
he was speaking to

1750
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:18,640
i think yeah yeah i believe that's hard

1751
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,520
yeah yes

1752
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:22,240
yeah and again so i'm not saying

1753
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:23,440
anything that

1754
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:26,720
he himself has not said no yeah

1755
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,839
i guess it's kind of out there um but

1756
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:31,280
there are other pieces you could put

1757
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:33,760
together to make a much stronger

1758
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:36,960
case as to why why that is but

1759
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:41,040
um yeah so um

1760
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,480
you know danny danny

1761
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,040
working with lou was a real surprise to

1762
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:48,960
dr greer and that probably

1763
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:51,920
for him dug the dagger even deeper and

1764
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,440
and

1765
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:55,359
you know i would hope that danny working

1766
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:56,640
with lou

1767
01:00:02,230 --> 00:59:59,680
rather than you know uh

1768
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:02,240
dr greer feeling betrayed would see this

1769
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:02,720
as an

1770
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:05,200
opportunity you know i don't i don't

1771
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:05,920
think lou

1772
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,839
and and steven greer at this point are

1773
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:09,359
ever going to be cool

1774
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:13,119
all right so yeah yeah but if if

1775
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:15,359
danny sheehan can help facilitate

1776
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:16,880
something where it's like okay just like

1777
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:19,119
back off each other and shut up you know

1778
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,559
go in your own corners and do whatever

1779
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,160
you're doing just that's it

1780
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:25,200
um you know there's probably a potential

1781
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:26,319
at first where you know

1782
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:29,440
if grier would have hooked up uh lou

1783
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:30,799
with some of the disclosure project

1784
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:31,680
witnesses

1785
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,599
but you know lou maybe harry already has

1786
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:35,280
access to them so you never know

1787
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:37,119
yeah that's a good point actually yeah

1788
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,880
um but

1789
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,640
and well actually yeah robert solis i

1790
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,000
spoke to robert solis recently

1791
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,240
from the maelstrom case sure yeah and he

1792
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,319
had he told me he spoke to lou

1793
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:48,480
so i guess lou's probably made the

1794
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,760
rounds and spoken to a lot of those

1795
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,119
military witnesses

1796
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:54,000
yeah um but man yeah i'd like to see

1797
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:55,359
more

1798
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:58,559
things resolved and uh i think it's

1799
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:01,119
awesome that danny is working with lou

1800
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:03,680
and i hope more good comes out of it no

1801
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:04,880
definitely man i

1802
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:07,280
think only good can really come from it

1803
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,319
now i mean

1804
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:10,480
um and like you're saying uh just just

1805
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:11,680
to get a

1806
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,319
grave to to back off more because i

1807
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:16,559
think i think lou is really only

1808
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:19,359
responding to what griez said to him and

1809
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:21,200
things like that or about him

1810
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,599
it's just still it's all unnecessary i i

1811
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:25,040
think i would have liked to thought

1812
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,559
they'd both be bigger than that i mean

1813
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,240
because lou has said some things back

1814
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:30,799
but maybe that's just human nature you

1815
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:32,240
defend yourself to a degree

1816
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,200
but yeah well yes it's been a few years

1817
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:37,119
at this point that you know

1818
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:38,880
grier's been taking these jabs over

1819
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:40,480
several years

1820
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:43,599
um and uh man that new movie is going to

1821
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:44,799
come out

1822
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,559
um the cosmic hoax uh

1823
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:50,400
probably in the next few days it's going

1824
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:55,670
oh i didn't realize it was that soon

1825
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,039
they're trying to get it out before the

1826
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:59,280
report

1827
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:01,039
you know because because they're you

1828
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:02,640
know their statement

1829
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:06,480
is that um you know the this is all

1830
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:09,680
you know part of uh an indoctrination

1831
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:11,599
process to

1832
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,000
fool the population into believing that

1833
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:16,400
ufos are a threat and they're gonna

1834
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:20,400
capitalize on that um so

1835
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:23,039
i mean and danny sheehan's a big part of

1836
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:26,319
the the film coming out so it's like

1837
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:29,760
you know two different like which side

1838
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:30,480
is he on

1839
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,520
i mean danny

1840
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:35,520
danny definitely backs lou and what

1841
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:36,720
lou's doing yeah

1842
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:39,920
i believe in what lou is doing so

1843
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:41,680
you know i remember uh there's that

1844
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:43,680
video that greer kind of gave danny an

1845
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,559
ultimatum

1846
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:46,480
like i was like dude come on you know

1847
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:48,000
this is a grown ass man please don't

1848
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:51,200
do that playground tactics

1849
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:52,240
it's like i'm not going to be your

1850
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:55,119
friend anymore if you're not

1851
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:58,319
no but you know it's like oh man i

1852
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,720
you know i hope this the new film

1853
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:03,119
doesn't stir up

1854
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:06,160
um trouble and i don't mean like oh i

1855
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:07,680
hope it's not inconvenient to the

1856
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:08,880
community

1857
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:10,880
okay sure you know you can explore the

1858
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:12,079
narrative a little

1859
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:15,119
but i i hope it doesn't go overboard and

1860
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:16,000
trying to

1861
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,599
kind of paint a picture um

1862
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:21,839
i don't know that you know people are

1863
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:24,720
doing things that they're not

1864
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:28,720
so but yeah i know um

1865
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:30,319
you know danny said some things in that

1866
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:31,839
film and i i believe

1867
01:03:37,029 --> 01:03:34,960
lou already saw the clips um

1868
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:37,039
because the clips were given to danny

1869
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,880
sheehan and sheehan

1870
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:40,640
showed lulz onto the clips and said hey

1871
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:42,079
listen this is gonna be in the movie

1872
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:46,240
i don't think they can pull it out so um

1873
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:47,680
there's gonna be it's it's gonna be

1874
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:49,280
interesting to see that coming out all

1875
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:50,160
right it's definitely gonna be

1876
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:52,000
interesting man

1877
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:53,599
well listen james i've taken over an

1878
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:55,039
hour of your time man unless you want to

1879
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:56,799
talk about anything in particular then

1880
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,640
yeah i just want to say thank you so

1881
01:04:01,910 --> 01:04:00,960
much man and it's such an exciting time

1882
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:01,920
maybe it'd be good to have this

1883
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:03,839
conversation you know a few weeks down

1884
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:05,760
the line let the dust settle and

1885
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:07,440
and then see if we are any clearer on

1886
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:09,200
where this is going to go because i

1887
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,559
think that'll be a

1888
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:12,640
an eye opener maybe then we'll see i

1889
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:14,160
don't know

1890
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:15,520
yeah i'm pretty good unless you have any

1891
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:17,440
other any other questions or anything

1892
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,400
you want to bring up

1893
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:20,160
i'm all good man i'm all good i wanted

1894
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:21,920
to keep it quite informal tonight and

1895
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:22,559
just sort of

1896
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:24,319
see how the conversation flowed rather

1897
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:26,799
than sort of dig into specific areas

1898
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:29,359
and like i said it's just that that side

1899
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:31,039
of the report that we are

1900
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:32,720
i think the conversation will be a lot

1901
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:35,440
more focused next time next week even

1902
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:38,640
across the board so yeah thank you so

1903
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,000
much man i really appreciate

1904
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,559
your time and uh yeah enjoy the rest of

1905
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,160
your day man

1906
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:46,079
yeah thanks so much and uh yeah i gotta

1907
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:47,200
have you on my uh

1908
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:49,119
my podcast sometime man that'll be great

1909
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:50,880
anytime man just give me a shout i'd

1910
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:51,520
love to

1911
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:53,599
yeah definitely man we'll talk soon yeah

1912
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,440
definitely man speak soon james

1913
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:57,200
yeah take care everybody see you later

1914
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:02,630
ah how cool guys everyone that's

1915
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:03,520
watching

1916
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:05,920
um thank you so much and this was just a

1917
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:08,400
bit of an informal conversation uh the

1918
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:09,599
interviews i'm going to be doing across

1919
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,039
this channel are going to be

1920
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:13,839
you know varied they're not all going to

1921
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:15,920
be really super scripted and structured

1922
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:16,319
like

1923
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:20,640
just do want it to be just

1924
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:23,280
a discussion off the cuff without any

1925
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:25,359
plans without being forced so

1926
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,480
and like i said earlier i am still new

1927
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:30,799
to this so i'm still finding my feet

1928
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:32,240
but the the support i've been showing

1929
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:34,240
already has been incredible um

1930
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:36,319
so yeah thank you guys and enjoy the

1931
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,280
rest of your day

1932
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:39,280
i will see you soon if you go to my

1933
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:40,480
actually if you go to my instagram

1934
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:41,760
you'll see all the other interviews i've

1935
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:43,200
got coming up soon

1936
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,119
um i've got the undead gaucho here on

1937
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:47,440
saturday and the following week i've got

1938
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:48,640
gary hesseltein

1939
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:51,200
um of icer i've got rich hoffman of the

1940
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:52,160
scu

1941
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:54,000
and i've got ryan spray coming on as

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well but yeah

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if you go to the description you can get

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all my social media links there and on

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this video you'll get james's as well